tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4061009.post697232755888840524..comments2023-08-19T14:12:52.220+02:00Comments on Reflection & Inquiries: Atheism? Why bother?Geoffrey Foxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04041450398780043453noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4061009.post-26861197737672333312008-05-04T09:31:00.000+02:002008-05-04T09:31:00.000+02:00Thanks! Another piece for understanding the great ...Thanks! Another piece for understanding the great puzzle of European, and thereby World, history.Geoffrey Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04041450398780043453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4061009.post-17688237276010485782008-05-04T04:06:00.000+02:002008-05-04T04:06:00.000+02:00I think it must have been in the 1992 elections (h...I think it must have been in the 1992 elections (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lithuania#Political_developments) and I vaguely remember it form a news item of the time, but I can’t track it down. The music was certainly not Wagner, Baltic mythology is quite different from Germanic, and more important, Germany has been the enemy longer than Russia. <BR/><BR/>There is an active revival of Baltic religion, called Romuva, which is allied with neopaganism. You can check it oust for instanced at http://altreligion.about.com/library/faqs/bl_romuva.htm and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romuva_(church). And there is is a Yahoo discussion group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Romuva/).<BR/><BR/>I was researching all this stuff for a novel I set in the medieval Lithuania.<BR/><BR/> Here’s another interesting bit of religious – political lore. For a while around the 14th century Lithuania was a big power, stretching from the Baltic to the Black Sea and including a large part of what we now call Poland, the Ukraine, and Belarus. This little empire included Christians (Catholics, Russian Orthodox, and Ukrainian Catholic) Muslims of various stripes, and Jews, all ruled over by a minority pagan aristocracy. As a result, unlike any other state in Europe, there was no state religion. As a result many Jews migrated to Lithuania seeking a tolerant environment. That led to the high concentration of Jews in Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania, and parts of what’s became again Poland, which were not so comfortable in Catholic times and of course led to disaster under the Nazi’s.Dirk van Nouhuyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17920127581598506664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4061009.post-52229634974268399072008-04-30T12:18:00.000+02:002008-04-30T12:18:00.000+02:00Tell us more! What did they do for a Lithuanian pa...Tell us more! What did they do for a Lithuanian pagan ceremony? Play Wagner? Bonfires? And how did people react?Geoffrey Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04041450398780043453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4061009.post-57289444647142467782008-04-30T02:00:00.000+02:002008-04-30T02:00:00.000+02:00Your note reminded me of one of my few experiences...Your note reminded me of one of my few experiences of what I think people describe as empowerment. We visited briefly in St Petersburg in the Yeltsin era. St. Petersburg has many churches some of them quite remarkable. I remember visiting the tomb of Marshall Kutuzov, the savior of his country in War and Peace, and feeling quite odd about it. Anyway most of the churches were not used for worship but run by the state as museums. I was looking at the guidebook pondering that fact when suddenly it hit me that I was in an officially atheist country. I had a lovely light feeling. I gladsomely noticed a weight that, as an American, had rested on my shoulders all my life, was absent. Of course there has been some backsliding in Russian since.<BR/><BR/> That reminds me of an odd story about religion and politics in nearby Lithuania. When Lithuania freed itself from Russia a conservative Catholic party came to power headed by the conductor of the National Symphony Orchestra. They had an elaborate Catholic ceremony at the installation of the new government. In the due course of democracy they were voted out and succeeded by the former Communists, now called Social Democrats. The new government had a problem about ceremony. They did not want a Catholic ceremony because that was the base of their opponents. They did not want no ceremony because that suggested atheism, which suggested Russia, which was bad. It happens Lithuania was the last country in Europe to convert to Christianity. It was the object of some crusades in the later Middle Ages, which meant that the pope licensed some German knight-thugs to rape and pillage. It only formally converted in the 14th century when a Lithuanian Duke wanted to marry a Polish princess, and probably the practice of the mass of the people did not change much on that occasion. So the Social Democrats dug into their folklore books and held a Lithuanian pagan ceremony.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com